Vivec’s role as Mastery in the Tribunal is also really reflective of this duality. This also has some implications about why worship the Daeda, but I think that probably deserves its own episode, as it’s a question that I see around a lot. He is known for his works on the lore that exists in The Elder Scrolls universe. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics. This has Vivec as the ‘egg’ of the Tribunal that was incubated by a netchiman’s wife, that is a shepherd’s wife. Strictly speaking, this implies that the Nerevarine that is the player character in The Elder Scrolls III is the same as Peakstar, Conoon Chodala and the rest, having “learned their lesson”. By that I mean the catastrophes, which will come from all five corners. It’s the Observer position in the enantiomorph, the rule that holds both the rebel and the king in balance and then makes one the victor and one the vanquished. This has also often been in spite of very real evidence that Vivec is a sinister individual who has people murdered. However, we have multiple accounts of hir regret at the act of killing Nerevar, and ze also says ze regrets breaking hir oath, as well. The Fire of Vivec. From that text, it seems like ze is talking to Nerevar about a variety of things, which is possibly where they met in this version of events. Vivec is one of two people we know of who could have CHIM. Truth is like my husband: instructed to smash, filled with procedure and noise, hammering, weighty, heaviness made schematic, lessons learned only … In that, Emperor Leto II had planned a “Golden Path” for humanity, which resulted in a millennia-long theocratic rule across the galaxy, that stagnated and centralised galactic culture to the point where it was shattered on his death, and the remnants of a rejuvenated humanity were scattered among the stars. So how did Vivec get the point of changing hir past and manipulating time? She is a Daedric Prince after all. Or at least that’s my reading of it; I could be entirely wrong there. In order to learn how to move beyond limitation, you need to first be limited. I did a cast on the concept itself a while back, so listen to/read that if you want to understand more about that topic itself. In so doing, ze possibly attains CHIM. I was playing Morrowind just now, and as I was reading one of the 36 Lessons of Vivec, two thoughts came to me in rapid succession: 1) These things sound like a Markov chain generator wrote them. He is to learn from my punishment. They do however contain a few points relating to the enantiomorph and the godhead, which are necessary parts of attaining CHIM. Ze describes hirself there as “A gutter-get, a daggerlad, a netchiman’s son” who lives in alleyways and the streets of Mournhold. A lot of the descriptions in the 36 Lessons link being a Ruling King to attaining CHIM, so it’s possible that it happened here. There are quite a few references in there that hint at the Lessons being a warning and instruction manual for what Vivec is doing with the Nerevarine. The "Trial of Vivec" clearly states that beyond Mundus, Azura wasn't fully within Vivecs grasp. The New Whirling School has also pointed out that Sermon 18 is where Vivec realises hir fundamental limits and nature, as well as actively discouraging others to follow in hir footsteps. The first of these is a reference to choosing the player character’s gender at character creation, as well as a nod to Vivec’s dual sexual nature. Mantling, in brief, is where you imitate the actions of a thing to the extent that the universe can’t tell the difference between you. I’ve also seen MUATRA the spear presented as a dancing pole, against which female sexuality is displayed. This is particularly the case as "the heavens" (numbered 12) are plural in the 36 Lessons. MUATRA may also represent part of Vivec’s power as a poet; that is, seduction. Vivec’s spoken dialogue in The Elder Scrolls III was written by one developer (I think Ken Rolston? The PR dept. So quite what we can attribute to CHIM itself is an open question. Vivec's Fire is mentioned more than a few times in the 36 Lessons. It could also be an expression of a repressed past. It’s either that power that allowed the manipulation of time, or that of CHIM. So in that way, truth and the true nature of the self leads to Amaranth. I’m not 100% sure on that one, but it’s one way of making the spear symbol less immediately phallic. 2) I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec. Hir dialogue in TES III says that “I still see no compelling reason to worship any of the Aedra or Daedra”. CHIM? 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