It was an exceptionally cool experience when visiting the NRAO[1] Archives[2] to pick up and read 70+ year old research notebooks from pioneering astronomers. That's an excellent question! (this made me smile; I worked at NRAO for ten years.). These semi-fully formed digital notes can then be used as the building blocks for the "long-term storage" of more durable works like journal articles or papers. They let you jot down quick notes, search, export, and sync everything you want to remember. That's crazy dangerous - if that endpoint gets compromised, nothing keeps the attacker from running `rm -rf /` on every user's machine. Edit: I should really set up redirects for those. Seriously, .deb or .rpm is okay, but what users will really want is a proper apt/rpm repository, which is for sure more effort. I know it's a radical thing to say but technology isn't always the solution to our problems. It isn't open source, but it's excellent software very much in the spirit of nvalt. That would make both my life and your life much easier for the time being. The ability to tag notes seems neat at first but it can become very messy very fast. The only thing that is missing from the pro is folders and a text editor, which for basic usage is not needed. Since it's just plain markdown files, you can save to Dropbox, git, NFS, or anything else really. Standard Notes seems the very least amazing. What you found are just bugs. This is a really cool project. Or, you can pay $20 per year for the Premium version of Simplenote to hide all ads, store up to 30 versions of each of your notes (standard is 10), and other additional features. Simplenote is excellent for basic notetaking but having used Onenote I'm spoiled by it's ability to search within images. I personally bought Ulysses and use that as my notes taking app for text-only documents, and Apple Notes for short-lived image related notes. The core mission of SN has always been anti-bloat. It's short-term and ephemeral. All that within Dropbox directory, accessible anywhere. The format is just plain text. Taking notes is a vital part of learning and as a programmer we have specific needs that software such as Docs or Word can't cover. Unlike Laverna, Standard Notes is being actively developed. Your comment isnt helpful for people looking for a digital solution. Most of my org notes would be ok to edit with nothing more complicated than the labels+tags+checkboxes+tables features. I use a cross-platform clone called nvPy on my primary machine, it's a pretty adequate substitute. I like Smugmug as far as layout/features and use it too, just wish I could self host it. There's no way to do this in Simplenote. A better UI color scheme for the android app should be done or at least one extra theme should be available for the free app. "Camlistore (Content-Addressable Multi-Layer Indexed Storage) is under active development. 2018 is the beginning of year two :). Check out my blog for more articles or Github for my free-to-read JavaScript Ebook that covers all the new features from ES6 to 2019. Simplenote is one of the best note-taking app which not only offers a no-nonsense interface but also brings most of the basic features that you might require from a note-taking app. True in some measure of any product in any stage of development. I'm merely expressing an alternative viewpoint that doesn't get discussed much around here. Now I'm using Google Docs and I'm fairly happy. Since an AppImage is just a compressed filesystem, you can also extract its content very similar to a zip file. Compare its performance to notepad.exe which ran fine on machines from decades ago. I know HN is for the tech crowd, but can I suggest something so simple it sounds stupid? Sure, the subscription is helping the developer to keep the app running but once I stop paying that, I will loose crucial features. It's neat, but only if you live completely inside the Apple ecosystem. Learn more. Org is its own little world, but I know that I can always edit an Org file on any computer with my preferred editor. I found. I feel this will work for a lot of people, especially less technical users. But I plan to move off of it after I accidentaly removed part of the note and noticed then that there is no undo at all. Your notes from ten years ago may be physically there, but how long is it going to take to find what you need? Many people will generate that much data as photos in an afternoon. I used to work for AWS Support, I'm not affiliated any more, but there is a huge difference in response times, also the chat and phone call options are much faster, and you can really ask about anything not just specific problems (architecture guidance, best practices). Edit: It's fantastic software, but I wish it handled images as simply as Quiver. macOS. Reddit is a popular online community that ... Simpleen. Especially for a software oriented towards security and privacy a clearer and straightforward marketing strategy would be much more appreciated. But from having asked around, the note taking process spans the entire spectrum from old school big research notebooks, collated three ring binders, instances of mediawiki, evernote, to just a bunch of .txt files scattered throughout their filesystem. I appreciate how reasonable you are, so I realize you already understand this, but are understandably flustered by this weird model. A note-taking system that works cross platform with local-encryption. Yes, absolutely, all of this is done to make development easier. It's a good defense against CDNs turning malicious. [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (1 child), Hi! You can bind such paper into a beautiful notebook after writing and scanning. Originally published on my blog. Other people have other opinions and litmus tests, of course. For some context,in addition to taking notes with the method I describe in this post,I have tried taking noteswith pen and paper,with Google Docs,with Evernote,andwith Simplenote. I want to be able to read it fifty years from now. Of course Workflow is a paid app, but it's about the closest you can get to "programming" on iOS without a paid developer account. I have been trying to find a solid note-taking app that is also a business for ages (which is good, you want them to make money, so they keep building it and maintaining and they don't need to sell data/ads to survive)!! Free.It has everything Evernote can do, but there’s no premium tier. In my opinion, the function of note taking is comparable to RAM. with a modern feature set (embedded media, links, etc. Agreed, I think there is room for improvements and the design leaves me cold. Hugely. The most annoying outcome of this choice is the very different user experience between the desktop and the mobile versions. When I think of notes, grocery lists and todo lists come to mind. Package Formats (I hope it is the future) we have appimage, flatpak (Redhat backed), snap (Ubuntu backed). The availability of old information is strongly related to the ability to index it. I am not locked into a sync solution and can freely switch from iCloud to Dropbox to to make it future proof. It's a tradeoff, and there is no wrong side. For this purpose, pen and paper should be good enough in my point of view. Notion for collaboration. I use Dynalist for my notes. Been using it for about a year, and like it. However Evernote is probably the most common--being able to easily copy-paste plots and images seems to ease a big pain point. Even if I want to preserve the history of the evolution, I'll want to be able to insert the new things where they make sense -- a new consequence here, a parenthetical that amends the previous thought there. Note that the public key should also not be on the web server (try Keybase ... if you don't have it I'll send you an invite). ), but have not found a solution that I'm happy with. Requiring to have them on your person for use is a gigantic "yadda yadda". I've read Altucher's words on using a waiter's pad and he says the same thing -- it's for ephemera. Rendered by PID 26669 on r2-app-0c86560e31d3c7463 at 2021-01-12 03:30:55.284812+00:00 running 0131643 country code: US. Ulysses is interesting, but what justifies its high purchase cost (the Mac app costs over 60 CAD)? As I know you understood I was just trying to give you the sense of what it is the user/customer experience of your product because I like it and I feel there is much room for improvement, in the software and in the business model. Believe it or not, I was sort of happy to hear that you thought our business model was "aggressive", because the one thing I've heard from every business-savvy person before was that it's not aggressive enough. Zim is great. It provides you with all of Extended’s benefits for a long time to come, and also helps support Standard Notes in developing a secure application, both technically and financially. Interesting read. Thanks! I have settled on Org and or Markdown, to Dropbox if required sync. Grep and find still work. It's set up to use Dina, as that's my default font on all my systems. Microsoft OneNote for a free note-taking app. Storing a lifetime's worth of typed text is maybe tens or hundreds of megabytes. That's pretty much what I do, except using UltraEdit as the editor. With a lot of notes and lists in Google Keep, I always wonder when Google will kill it like Reader. But there's an extension system built for Standard Notes so 3rd party can add. If you are on Windows, I highly recommend ResophNotes. Add version tags to the git repo, that way I don't have to wonder what's changed between deploys I love Google Keep but I wonder when they will kill it. There are really exciting improvements slated for release this year. In the end the software experience feels more broken than simple. Items are encrypted with random keys. And best, ... that have been standard in other note-taking apps for years. The next version I'm working on will make the experience a lot more fluid, comfortable, and even fun. Have started using and has become my daily driver (for notes and lite GTD work). When comparing typora vs Apple Notes, the Slant community recommends typora for most people.In the question“What is the best cross-platform note taking app?” typora is ranked 13th while Apple Notes is ranked 38th. Standard Notes – A notes app with a focus on longevity, portability, and privacy, https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/8106. You can just open a .md.gpg file that way. What's wrong with good old notepad.exe and *.txt files? For years I've been using TiddlyWiki[0], and while it has worked fine it is not perfect. That it's taken further and somewhat arrogantly called "standard" notes really chills me on liking this product at all, given that it completely and intentionally omits useful things to a lot of people -- including me. Interesting! Personally I think flatpak is the best of breed with appimage a close second. Simplenote is a cross-platform Markdown notes application. Everything looks great, but now that you're getting serious traffic you may want to pre-emptively sign up for business support (if you haven't already), I noticed they give you a free month for the "self-starter" startup pack: https://aws.amazon.com/activate/self-starters/ . © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Maybe I (or somebody else) can write an importer for Standard Notes to make it easy to switch from Apple Notes? I agree. Follow us on Reddit 480 Followers. Containerized solution with the hope of easier portability and better security by sandboxing type solutions. That said, the majority of my notes still live in nvALT [2], stored as plain text in Dropbox, sync'd via Simplenote to allow me to use their mobile app. Evernote clipper (or "save this page as a note") is the only thing keeping me on that platform. No fancy formatting. Open your note and use the File-> Print menu option or Ctrl P. iOS. The 5-year plan is our take on a sustainable, long term plan. The only thing it is lacking is something like Evernote clipper. Now, THIS is what I call customer service :D. Jokes aside I sense and appreciate your commitment, and (apart to get rid of the red UI :p) that's mostly the reason why I felt comfortable in paying the subscription in the first place. As it stands, I have to preview my document to see the images. Standard Notes is a valuable note taking app alternative for individuals concerned with privacy and security matters with a strip down user experience that feels overall more lacking than simple, though, and both design choices and a business model/marketing strategy that generate some concerns from a customer point of view. https://medium.com/@mobitar/evernote-is-what-happens-when-yo... https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Getting-Started, https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Cloud-Syncing. I'm the sole developer on this and it's a lot of work, but everything is coming together nicely. However, it's not very easy to lookup info by topic and it's time consuming to write out detailed explanations in long-hand. A couple things that could be useful: I'm really satisfied with the end to end encryption and the general security and privacy model of Standard Notes. I'd suggest waiting until. I've been there before. You are completely locking yourself into their system and if you stop paying the monthly fee, you even loose the ability to sync your things to your phone or Mac. I do academic research as a grad student and it's very reassuring to know that if my office doesn't burn down or get ransacked, that my pen-and-paper research notebooks will be there for reference to see what I did on a past project. Its open source. I'm trying to get started with Standard Notes but running into trouble. A screenshot or two would be really helpful. In fact Evernote has been advertising handwritten text indexing for quite a while: I thought down-voting was for bad behavior, not disagreement. Downvoted. I didn't think it was bad until I realized there was no feature to export your notes. I've seen the way many people use physical notes and it's largely the same thing. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: A simple and private notes app. And that requires a different sort of thinking and development architecture. Pull request anyone? If someone want to go that way OpenSuse Build Service. For example using the advanced editor on the desktop app means that in the android app you will have a note with visible html tags. The ones that do use paper as long-term storage have a separate set of notes just for that, and transcribe from short-term to long-term anyway, at which point the other liabilities of paper come into play. Standard Notes is a valuable note taking app alternative for individuals concerned with privacy and security matters with a strip down user experience that feels overall more lacking than simple, though, and both design choices and a business model/marketing strategy that generate some concerns from a customer point of view. I use Google Keep. It's more a full blown, fully customizable writing app targeted at writers. People who like digital notes might benefit from this system. Evernote for the ultimate digital notebook. That kind of mass is an anchor, and when I move I get to make a decision: bring them, or leave them in storage. Or it gets wet, or when I forget it, and I sure as Schmidt won't be able to read them in 50 years, because the only thing I have that is that old is my physical body. I use pen and paper all the time but only for ephemera. If you ever decide to build an importer, feel free to submit a pull request and I'd be happy to merge it. I'll have to poke at it. Flatpak using individual repositories which I prefer. It needs to have: I really like Google Photos for it's excellent search capabilities. James Altucher uses a waiter's pad. The Evernote clipper really shines in how smooth everything works. Thanks for sharing, I enjoy reading your code. Same here. It seems like it would take a great deal of vigilance to make digital notes endure for that long. There was interesting attempts before... Even on year 99, it's a work in progress. That way, we get the digital benefits of searching, organizing, mass storage in tiny space, unlimited and free mass duplication, and so on, while still being able to print multiple copies anywhere on demand in order to produce redundant hard copies with extreme archival durability (provided you do some research on archival paper and printer ink/toner). Looks like a potential opportunity to use something like node-unfluff [0] to scrape page content. Speaking personally, I completely rely upon PDFs and images and things accompanying my notes because of the nature of the work I do (I have about 4,700 pages of research and almost a gigabyte of imagery all tied together in a Scrivener project for a single piece of work, for example), and the frozen feature set so proudly advertised smacks of "people need to take notes exactly the way I do," which is an immediate turn-off for me. It's remarkable how bad the Apple Notes apps are. It is annoying. I don't know about you, but keeping any paperwork for over ~5 years is a chore: it requires keeping several filing cabinets to even have a chance at keeping track of things. The default color scheme of the app is a punch in the eyes and it feels like it has been done this way so you end up subscribing just to get rid of the offending red color (which is what I did at least). CloudFormation or Terraform template link in the README would really sweet. There's even a built-in plugin to automatically commit to git periodically (useful for standalone notebooks, since you don't really want to be opening git manually). I also really appreciate the simplicity and minimalism of the program even though it is becoming more and more clear during the regular use that is not a design choice made for usability but more to keep the software easy to maintain for the devs. But still my suggestion is to try and be more clear with their customers because the software it IS good and there is no need of marketing tricks to get people to subscribe in my opinion. Simplenote syncs across virtually everything and supports AppImage, DEB, and RPM. Completely freeform tagging requires a lot of discipline to not get out of hand, nested tags make this even more difficult. I realize there are methods like the bullet journal's that address this, but they've felt clumsy to me. In the HN crowd, I wonder how many notes still start off on paper, but are then transcribed into digital. Apple Notes? Google Keep for Google power users. Also, the UI on desktop is pretty poor. Keep up the good work guys. Nothing new but it's important to put the spotlight in the cause of the rot of this industry. Taking notes with pen and paper works just fine for some, but if you have a smartphone or tablet, using an app designed for note-taking can truly change the way you get things done. I spent quite a few years working in Digital Preservation, and what we found is that as evil as you paint them, a big corporation with lots of money will outlast an individual with pure motivations. We did this as a way to push out changes quicker since we were still making major improvements often. With so many apps to consider, we had some pretty strict criteria for what made a great notes app. Thus no need for IV, and makes implementations across platforms simpler. https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2015/06/23/6-ways-evernote-em... https://github.com/standardfile/ruby-server/tree/master, https://aws.amazon.com/activate/self-starters/. I'm going to play around with hosting my own server, looks like the current one is here? Official standard notes docker image or dockerfile in repo And there are reasons for that. I've had serious difficulty[1][2][3] with Apple's Notes.app over the past 18 months. - self hosted front end with a simple management interface for organising photos into albums, uploading, setting permissions My current plan is to import them into OneNote because they have good app coverage across platforms and they just released what looks like a pretty solid API that lets you import and export notes. Where there's demand for privacy and security, notepad falls short, as you cannot password-protect your notes. For searching, I use the old ZTree, usually finds what I want in seconds. [0]: https://github.com/ageitgey/node-unfluff. However, it also introduces a _major_ security hole: Gotcha, easy fix, will get that out asap. I wasn't concerned with privacy, but very concerned with longevity, portability, and history. Seeing this in debian stable would convince me it's likely to be around in ten years (with security updates for the dependencies). I almost always end up back there :). All the ones I've tried don't even come close. Brett is working on a complete rewrite of the app (which will be a paid version): http://brettterpstra.com/2015/09/14/an-nvalt-and-more-status... http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-velocity.html. Simpleen is a Markdown translation web app and API service. >Depends on your definition of a "note" I guess. Even just using a subset of orgs features, it can still be significantly more powerful than just plain old markdown. If you want to read your notes 50 years from now use a pen and paper. However, digital notes are useful, especially for brain dumping something quickly, so I've settled on vimwiki[3] in a git repository. But this mission is always a work in progress. Will definitely try to get to it. I think forcing structured data input is the wrong approach and it is better to use NLP or other methods of inference. Encrypted, open-source, and extensible. Notes may contribute to a long-term document that should absolutely be digitized, but storing the notes themselves defeats their purpose in my view. EDIT: Oops ... see the comment below as apparently Electron supports code signing via certificates. Learn more. Seems like this project doesn't offer much at moment except cool name. I think you're not at a point where you should be advertising security as a feature (rather than eventual goal) of your product. These days, it's better to use printers to put more substantial and important information on paper. [1] https://medium.com/@mobitar/evernote-is-what-happens-when-yo... Maybe some people will like this, but the motivations and decisions just seem ill thought out so far, particularly when it's "VC is going to kill Evernote, so you should rely upon a hostname I personally administer instead and you get exactly what I give you" as the main call to action when I go to the page. And attempting to justify it by using a single dictionary definition, isn't logic, it's wordplay. Visual Studio Code isn’t a dedicated Markdown editor, but has the functionality to be used as one all the same. So much so that I've written some JXA (Javascript for Automation) code to extract all of my notes to self-contained HTML files. This is a poorly thought out and whiny review + cosmetic criticisms of a very solid service. I took a lot of notes on pen and paper during my studies, but after a decade of moving around (including different countries) I have none of them left. Here everything is indeed encrypted and they have no way of reading our data. Remote code should never run with full privileges - consider using a `webview` instead, which can be sandboxed. I'm not saying that the devs are greedy or have bad intentions, I understand their position as in the app business they have to compete with giant companies and this might be really unfair to them. If you like the idea of cyber note taking, but are worried about hackers snooping on your thoughts, Standard Notes has you covered. No two items are ever encrypted with same key. Quiver is another awesome note taking app, native and superfast on macOS: And 10.8 MB on OS X. Well, the notes are stored as HTML text fields in a SQLite database somewhere in /Library. For ones like me that never heard about AppImage before (shame on me), you just need to "chmod a+x file.AppImage", then execute as a normal (./) [0]. Or sign each release with a private key on a machine that's "very protected from the Internet" and only have the Electron app automatically pull the update if the signature can be verified with the public key. Notes are supposed to be brief records to _aid memory_, not critically important documents. You will see the option to Print your note … Today I frequently wish I had taken notes in some electronic form rather than on paper. This thing - 115 MB. Emacs and or any other text editor will just works. Related, here's a post by the author [1] about Evernote which sheds light on why he went about making this. Zim does have support for embedding images, or links to other files/websites. > What I write is important to me. That said just taking notes in a consistent place and in a consistent format gets you 80% of the way there. In fact I ended up paying for a subscription basically to get rid of the painful red and white UI of the android app and only in second place for the extra features (which I will talk more about later on). I fail to see any risk in investing your personal data in this project. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. I have used plenty of them and currently settled for Simplenote for quick notes and Joplin for collection of notes in chapters. I am an Evernote user as well and I was looking for a more secure replacement. according to Google. I don't agree with the author much. I hope it's a success! "Thus no need for IV" when your desktop client just pulls a minified blob from somewhere is not particularly reassuring. Good to know :), The auto-updater really isn't ready for prime time, sadly. I hope that while you may be taken aback by some of your experiences, that you don't give up on our mission, and understand that, as difficult as it may be, and as hard as I may stumble, I'm always trying to do the right thing, both for the business and for the users. Good luck. After this episode my sense of reliability for Standard Notes dropped quite considerably. I was going to pay a developer to create something like this because I wanted its exact features so badly. Even though I think that there is no real need of nested tags (especially when the system can't be clearly mirrored on the android app) the actual extension should work correctly. In fact, we might even quickly become more bloated than Evernote. Add pictures, formatting, etc. Flatpak and appimage are the most open friendly. Some people like to take their notes digitally. Everything requires careful thought and runs in sandboxed environments. Private files are stored in a truecrypt volume. 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